While Ren's blog attracts a lion's share of wankers, I wanted to address this one in full because it is SO TYPICAL of certain people. This response is from this particular anonymous troll but really, it should be taken as a general cussin' out of other trolls who have posted the same garbage on any sex worker blog. I'm going to be taking this apart piece by piece. And yes, I know Ren does not need people to defend her because Goddess knows she does a hell of a job herself. BUT, Ren is my friend and the fierce lioness that I am, when someone attacks one of my friends, they attack me too.
"You’re a real piece of work, Renegade. I look at the blog header and I see an attractive, healthy, well-maintained white woman who apparently makes good money stripping and doing pornography. You do it by choice, fine. You do rough content by choice because that is what you like. Fine."It obviously isn't considering your attitude seen in the first sentence you posted. But, please, continue digging your hole.
"I don’t know if you escort or pro-dom or whatever else, but what ever you do, you command a pretty hefty rate I’d imagine. Couple of hundred per hour for a strip show? More for porn? Getting choked and slapped and pounded up the ass pays well for you, and by your own words, you enjoy it.Is that a crime? Almost everything in the world is something someone else can't afford. The inklings of entitlement are rearing their ugly head here. It's more like, "I can't afford you", if you're male or "I can't look or be like you", if you're female. Whichever it is, that flavor of Haterade must be tasty. However, I'm guess you fit into the demographic of a heterosexual male, white, 25-45, middle-class and a chip on his shoulder the size of Texas.
But I bet not everyone can afford you, Renegade."
"So johns then go out and find women who are poorer than you, more desperate than you, more helpless than you and do it to them."
Wow! You jumped right into that class war, didn't you? Poorer than Ren? Ren isn't poor. I'm sure what you meant to say is, charge a lower rate. But here is where your classism shows, why is charging a lower rate equal to being more desperate and helpless? Also, why do you assume that a 'john' would automatically want a "desperate" and "helpless" woman because they can't afford whatever you think Ren charges for whatever services you think she renders? Ah, yes, here is entitlement in all its shitty glory. This sentence smacks of the john/client/customer who feels that whatever sex worker he wants he should have access to, because that's the line he's been fed by, I dunno, media, hobbyist boards whatever. This is the client who doesn't like the very rude awakening that he DOES NOT DICTATE PRICE!
'Why can't I have the pretty, hot escort there?' they whine. 'Why does she have to charge per hour what I make in a week?' they whinge. 'Damn her! Fucking slut!' they bitch. 'Who the hell does she think she is' they complain. She is what you want and cannot have outside of her explicit permission. That is who she is. You ass. If you happen to be a woman, then I'm guess you are one of those rad fems that is often bitched about within our circles who has a not-so-thinly veiled misogyny. Either way, your attitude sucks.
And, "do it to them"? Have sex? What is this mysterious 'it' you're referring to? Considering your nasty attitude and the one you're projecting on all johns (when really, you're just talking about your personal experiences and frustrations and trying to make a generalization out of it), I'm guess that 'it' is nothing nice. With that in mind, you apparently think some women, sex worker or not, are beneath your consideration and basic human respect; you unabashedly displayed this in your post.
Though you're trying to make it sound as though you are attacking the 'privileged' classes, what you have actually done is show your contempt for the very class of people you are supposedly defending. I have known a few men who like women who 'charge less' than Ren for a variety of reasons but those men also have class, tact and basic respect for humanity. Just the assumption that women who don't charge hundreds or thousands per hour for their services are somehow desperate and poor is incredibly offensive. You've got a lot of nerve.
And yes, there are certainly women in the trade who fit that description. Arresting, imprisoning and harassing does nothing to help them leave the realm of poverty and desperation. When they can't find a mainstream job in order to leave the life that does not fit them, how is an arrest record for prostitution going to help that? Please, explain. Or are you naive enough to think that the claim on job applications that arrest records won't be held against the applicant is actually true?
"They don’t care if they’re into it or not, and those women don’t make a couple hundred or more per hour."
No, YOU don't care if they're into or not. You are, again, making generalizations. This is you. YOU do not have any respect for those women.
"Your job and freely made turns you on content is someone else’s hell, and decrim won’t change that."
And there are many things you do in a day, perfectly legal and freely chosen, that another person would not want to do, ever. Do you work in an office cubicle? Guess what? That is MY personal hell. Furthermore, you need to acquaint yourself with the definition of criminalization as well as its antonym, decriminalization. Decriminalization would most certainly change that, but I have the very strong suspicion that you probably don't want it to change. I've already pegged you, judging by your attitude in the response, that you are not the type of john any prostitute or escort wants to meet. You're angry and frustrated and all this stems from the lie you have been and continue to be fed, that somehow you are entitled to sex with the woman of your choice with no input from her. Get. Over. It.
Now that I've ripped you a new asshole, you now have two places to stick your attitude where the sun don't shine.
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Haha, love it :). What I don't understand was how that person fails to see that K would have given women MORE control over their lives and MORE assistance to get out of that industry if and when they want to?
And part of me wonders if these people just want to see the stereotypical poverty-stricken/runaway junkie so they can pity them and they don't want to acknowledge that many women and men in the sex industry are healthy in mind and body, taking control of their lives and choosing sex work?
It's the same with disability sometimes. They want you to sit in your wheelchair, shut your mouth and be content in 'the grateful little cripple' box that makes them comfortable. If you look like you can take control of your own life it messes with their head when they can't feel sorry for you and they don't quite know what to do next.
"And part of me wonders if these people just want to see the stereotypical poverty-stricken/runaway junkie so they can pity them and they don't want to acknowledge that many women and men in the sex industry are healthy in mind and body, taking control of their lives and choosing sex work?"
They do. The concentration of the arguments against sex work always focus on the sex part. Why? Because of the socially reinforced asexuality (or at the most liberal, monogamously sexual) of women. Women aren't supposed to be so in tune with their sexuality, the power of it or the recognition that it is much sought after (hence giving them ALL the power in the sexual realm). The junkies, the forced prostituted women show that they aren't actually enjoying the sex (which they aren't) but are only doing this by force. It supports the status quo.
"It's the same with disability sometimes. They want you to sit in your wheelchair, shut your mouth and be content in 'the grateful little cripple' box that makes them comfortable."
Yes, exactly. They want you to shut up and be happy with the crumbs you're fed. Of course, all the homeless, destitute disabled people seen on the street reinforce the "shut up and deal" mentality. It's the threat of, "be happy with this or end up like...that".
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Just saw this post.....you win. In a boat race.
Doesn't this fool know that in the existing rate system, most whores usually charge MORE, not less, to perform...ummmm, shall we say, the more eccentric acts?? Which means, that most of those who are "poorer" than Ren Ev will be more likely to perform basic vanilla sex acts like handjobs or blowjobs or even standard sex than the more "rougher" variety.
And....doesn't (s)he understand that most men who feel "entitled" to force sex on women can just as well do it FOR FUCKING FREE through....you know, RAPE???? Why even pay a woman a pittance when they can just force themselves upon them...isn't that the embodiment of "entitlement"????
OK...so (s)he may mean those few men who have an endless supply of money that can be used to buy them all the pussy they need. All right...then how about this solution: we simply TAKE AWAY THEIR DAMN MONEY and not allow them to buy women's sexuality in that way. I believe you've heard of this method: it's called "socialism".
Yeah..and that guy who thinks that just because you gave it up for him before he married that you should just give it up now and not charge him for the pleasure is so typical of most reactionary men who think that women are God's gift to him. Of course, I'm guessing that he got dumped by his wife and expected you to be his own personal pity fuck....good on you for making him pay. It's your body and your choice.
What is up with the escort agency spam, though???
Anthony
"Yeah..and that guy who thinks that just because you gave it up for him before he married that you should just give it up now and not charge him for the pleasure is so typical of most reactionary men who think that women are God's gift to him. Of course, I'm guessing that he got dumped by his wife and expected you to be his own personal pity fuck....good on you for making him pay. It's your body and your choice."
He definitely thinks he's God's gift and that women are somehow beholden to him. He's lived in a part of the city that, due to his ethnicity, he is seen as "cool" and "exotic" and "dangerous" and he gets off on that. I, however, do not view him like this and I think he's just a little put off by that. Please. My ego takes priority!
C and his wife are still together, amazingly. They have an interesting relationship. She used to hang with his group but now whenever they do something, she goes off somewhere else with her bff Stacy. When C's wife and the bff are with the group, they're over in a corner away from everyone else. I figure she's having her own affairs and bff is either privy to it or her lover. Whatever.
And I don't know what's up with the agency spam. I left it up because, hey, they may link to me. But it's strange.
Yes, indeed. I've always wondered why it was so damn important for every escort to be in everyone's price range. This is captialism at work, boys. You're in America!
I've also wondered if these men who take the time to send price-based hate emails (I've gotten a lot of these over the years), also send these emails to Mercedes for making cars beyond their budget. Or yell at Dolce & Gabbana because they can't afford their suits. Bet they don't. Hmm...wonder why????
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Exactly! I don't send angry emails to Ivy League schools I wish I could afford to attend complaining that they should lower their tuition and academic standards to allow me entrance. Similarly, I don't pitch a fit in Saks Fifth Avenue if I can't afford a spree there nor do I complain to the Art Institute as to why I can't take Hubert Robert's The Landing Place or Ruebens' Wedding of Thetis and Peleus home with me since I really, really, REALLY like it.
But ah yes, women are supposed to be open 24/7/365. I always roll my eyes when I hear stupid whorephobic jokes about how we will fuck just anybody and I'd love to show those people comment threads full of entitled assholes who complain about all the the hoops we make them jump through for an appointment. Though it's not really anything extraordinary, the screening, despite all the braying to the contrary.
In fact, I'm working on a post on my escort blog about my personal screening requirements both for potential clients and anyone who is just curious as to why we ask for the info we do.
Yes, I LOATHE the assumption (like my ex-boyfriend had) that anyone with our rate could "fuck" us. Not true. Anyone who has ever held this job knows it's not true. Every sex worker I know at every level turns down clients on regular basis and not due to a lack of funds.
You know, this should be a post in and of itself. I could rant for hours!
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I know! If anything, what I like about being an escort is how well you learn to set your own standards and boundaries that will absolutely never be crossed. That's of course true for your personal and professional sexual encounters.
I totally don't get the angle that guys coming from,I'm confused.
I use Hookers often,but everything is agreed beforehand,and in my experience,unless you're talking life-changing amounts of money,all the girls have a mental list of what they will and won't do.
And they can be just as particular as any regular girls,I mean,yes,they have sex,give blowjobs,handjobs whatever,and are obviously more open-minded (or slutty) and more likely to do 'freakier' things,but surprisingly,across the whole price range of whores there is a big difference in what they will and won't do,for some things,they will charge extra,and other things they won't ever do (at least for a client) Some will do anal,some won't,some let you cum wherever,some don't,etc.I used to find it confusing and annoying,now I find it adds a little mystery and spice to the whole affair.
I may offer more for something I feel like trying at the time,try a little coercion (or more likely,beg for it!) but I understand that while the Working Girl in question is offering a service,she sets the TERMS & CONDITIONS of that service.
Sometimes,in the throes of passion,I can get carried away and do something they don't like,but once they tell me to stop,I try not to be an asshole and apologise and don't do it again.
For every Hooker that won't do what I like,there's another 2 or 3 easily found,that will,and may even get off on that particular kink.
As I said,Hookers can be particular about trivial things-
One girl would only let me do missionary with one leg pinned to her chest(?!) as other positions hurt,some girls find it painful for me to go doggy-style on them,some girls will not take a cumshot anywhere,some will actually remove the condom from my dick and aim it at themselves without any request or prompt,some will only let me cum on their stomach,one makes me kiss her feet,some girls kiss,some let me kiss on the lips,or with tongues,some only on the cheek/body,some let me lick their pussy,some only let me lick their asshole,some girls don't let me lick either,one girl was actually disgusted and asked me to leave when I asked if I could lick her asshole!
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